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Do Trump voters feel cheated by his policies?

Lets park aside the culture war for one second...

Donald Trump became President on a populist ticket which claimed to represent the interests of the little man against Wall Street. His platform was protectionist against free-trade, interventionist in favour of infrastructure spending, as well as hinting at curbing the power of big business.

Trump has opted out of T-TIP but has done nothing to change NAFTA or apply tariffs. He has cut taxes for big businesses and the rich. He has a cabinet stacked with ex-Wall Street people. In short; his economic program is conventional right-wing Republican. Also; Trump claimed to be anti-war but morphed into a hawk on Syria, Isreal, N Korea and perhaps Iran.

You can make a case for any of these policies (though I would disagree). The fact remains though that the impact of Trump is pretty much exactly the same as George W. Bush would have had if he had come to power in 2017, just taken one step further and with added chaos and controversy. Even the tax cuts have echoes of Bush because, like Dubya's own tax cut, it has greatly increased the deficit at a time of economic growth. I'm sure people remember how that worked out.

Trump was meant to be something new; an 'anti-establishment' candidate who would drain the swamp and change the system. In reality, a vote for Trump is a vote for the same 'globalist' trickle-down economics which has dominated the Anglo-phone world since the 1980s, depressed wages and increased inequality.
Northwest · M
The reality of the situation is that Trump's supporters believe that he has done all the things he said he did. They've never fact checked him, and they never will.

They think he cancelled NAFTA.

They think that if he had not been elected, the TPP would have gone through, even though Hillary said she did not support it.

They think he killed ISIS, when it was a by the book, execution of the plan that was underway.

They think he's responsible for the 4.1% unemployment rate, and don't want to consider that the numbers, by the time President Obama left office (4.3%), were correct.

They think that companies already brimming with cash, will create jobs, for the sake of job creation, as opposed to when there is demand for their products/ideas.

They don't understand the situation in the Middle East, N. Korea, or Afghanistan, so they don't know what they think.

They think that Trump is standing up to Pakistan, when he delayed a $200+M payment, when in fact, in 2016, the US held up a $300M payment to Pakistan, to punish Pakistan for being two-faced.

They believe the tax cut benefits them. It does, but relatively speaking, it benefits the 1% and corporate America, infinitely more.

They think that the stock market drive, is their salvation, but they don't understand that stock market speculative trading, is not an economic solution.

TexChick will jump in, because Trump's agenda was "questioned". She will call you names, and then more names. She will make shit up, and when pressed for details, she will call you more names.

theonetheywarnedyouabout, will jump in with a meme and perhaps some name calling, and then crawl back under his rock.

lascar will jump in to call you names, and lie some more about his life in paradise.

Did I miss anyone? and they are the microcosm of Trump's supporters out there. The people who think Trump is losing money, by being President, when a single change to the tax code: elimination of the estate tax, IF his holdings are as large as he says they are, will save his family $Bs. That would be in addition to his son--in-law's business holdings, that continue to increase, as Israeli and Saudi financial concerns, pump money into his company.

The biggest con job ever pulled not only on America, but the entire world, and the victims are cheering. Kind of like peasants cheering nobility, and feeling that their duty is to protect them, back in medieval Europe.
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 Not hard to predict. If you go through the posts I start here, it's a reflection of what they do on my posts. I skipped a few posters, because they block me now, so if they comment on this post, I can't see it :-)
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest I believe you. I have also been blocked by the same people as you. The three you mention are the Trumpsters who insult but don't block. Those who block people for disagreeing (which I think is about 80% of them) are long gone from my vision on SW.
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 yes, I don’t consider them a loss. They’re not comfortable outside their own echo chamber. What amazes me though is that they seem to be omnipresent, with nothing else to do, and they are so predictable.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
(Stands and applauds a well made, structured, logical argument.) Now, without commenting on the nature of Trump supporters, lets see how many address the questions and avoid the "but Hilary.... or you are an Unamerican moron" replies....😀
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@whowasthatmaskedman I think you were proven right and in spades.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 Thats the one flaw with democracy. A racist imbeciles vote counts as much as someone who thinks. But thanks for the opportunity.
WalksWith · 51-55, F
I don't think you're going to get any honest and well thought out answers. That's sad. I wonder how weak a trumpvoter feels to look at trump and see any kind of strength. My hat's off to you though, for at least trying to bring a civilized conversation to the table.
Cierzo · M
Not American supporter here very disappointed with his foreign policy, again the same hawkish rhetoric and bowing to Israeli interests that has plagued American politics for decades. What happened to his promises about isolationism?

Also, although I admit I do not know it in depth, and it is early to talk about results, his tax reform does not smell good. I usually support tax cuts, but not when they are mostly for big corporations and wealthy people. There's more than enough evidence that trickle-down economics are a lie.
Cierzo · M
@ladycae Yes, and yet I think with Clinton it would be much worse.
ladycae · 100+, F
@Cierzo you don't know of what you speak. you would have to live here to know the absurdity of that statement. plus we would not have a president in a battle of insults with threats of nuclear war. which would effect everyone negatively.
Cierzo · M
@ladycae Trump and Rocket man are childish and narcissistic and say a lot of bs. With Clinton we would have less words, true, but higher chances of actual facts. Do I need to remember his words when Gaddafi died or when he callee the US to bomb Syrian air fields?
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
All Trump's done is make potential nuclear war with North Korea. I [b]don't[/b] consider that a success.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-cdc-set-to-teach-the-public-how-to-prepare-for-a-nuclear-explosion_us_5a4fe6cee4b089e14dbac318
SW-User
Stop defending an evil lunatic who's not working to help you. The Democrats are the ones that really care for the average person. Republicans cheat, gerrymander, and try very hard to suppress voting rights.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I’m giving you facts, asking you for facts simple as that. You’re not doing your part. You’re assuming things and name calling. @SW-User
SW-User
It doesn't matter whether you are liberal, moderate or conservative. No one should be supporting and approving Trump.
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
You have to understand a lot of trump voters were voting against Hillary not for Trump.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Subsumedpat I'm sure that is true, given how unpopular Hillary was (and is). Do you get my point though?
SW-User
Trump is the biggest liar, he does nothing but lies, do the people serious and dangerous harm and fear. He is far more corrupt than any politician. Anyone that still believes Trump is an ignorant fool. He never tells the truth only lies and some are downright dangerous.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Not dissimilar to the Obama hope change voters including me WH saw zero change and lost hope. However positive things are happening despite the haters, the media and the media-haters.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Don’t let facts get in the way of your continuing to sulk about the election 😉 @Pherick
Pherick · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson LOl its funny you think I care enough about trump to sulk.

Its even funnier that you think 10 years of upward trending and somehow trump had something to do with a year of additional upward trending, especially when any policies he might have enacted would really only be taking affect now.

You keep trying though.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You’re tenacious while misguided I’ll give you credit for that. @Pherick
TexChik · F
You get the prize ! The first Libtard to whine about Trump today
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@TexChik You are right, nothing will change.

You will always be a whining loser. I guess its nice to know the future sometimes ...
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@lacsar Are you referring to me as the "blue metal psycho"? HAHA Oh thats a good one, going to have to write it down.

I am sure I can find some paper and a pen here in the ghetto ..
ladycae · 100+, F
@lacsar well you certainly did think that petitioning the coast guard to issue a certificate of inspection for a multi passenger vessel counts as secret agency work-when you bragged about it and described it that way, nor did you present the modest hose in lovango cay anything like that when you bragged about your private island and your mansion. plus research into lovanco cay show it to be a very high-end private island with homes that start at 650k. hardley the moderate home you talk about today. in fact here is a quote you might recognize

[quote]A unique development approach on Lovango Cay '''helping you insert the paradise back into paradise. Conveniently nestled in the U.S. Virgin Islands, Lovango Cay offers an ultra-private location without any sacrifice of comfort or convenience. Here you’ll have direct access to world-class beaches, the luxurious Caneel Bay Resort, and the quaint village of Cruz Bay, all just 10 minutes away across sheltered waters on nearby St John.[/quote]

https://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/lovango-cay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovango_Cay,_U.S._Virgin_Islands
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@ladycae [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x_QbVDlLbI]
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
Well, some of just form their opinions based on whatever he's saying, so they're going to be fine with anything.
SW-User
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
The unprecedented increase of the GNP is no accident.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson You need a causal link because economic growth is always based on multiple factors and cycles last many years.

The US economy is growing but why? Early on it grew without him having implemented any economic policies. That can't be linked to Trump and can only be put down to either A) Long-term trends B Global trends or C) Obama.

The world economy is on a (fragile) upswing and America is growing faster than most because of the legacy of Obama's fiscal stimulus plan and also yes because of tax cuts.

The tax cuts have accelerated growth but also increased the deficit. The rich will see most of the benefit but when the economy overheats and a crash happens, it will leave everyone more vulnerable.

As I said before, this has echoes of Bush.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@jackjjackson You are right. pumping money into an economy and racking up debt will support consumption and provide employment in the short term.. And Obama started that, but Trump continues.. But, sadly we have a global economy, like it or not and these things will come back to bite. Politics can argue. But economics can only be pushed so far before it bites back
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Deal with my points meme-boy. You need reasons and sentences. Go!
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RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Celine Yup. 😉
SW-User
He has only been in office for a year. I honestly don't see him as a threat but as an annoyance with twitter. I did not vote for him. Went third party.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Stereoguy Sorry. Republicans have control of both houses.. If what you say is correct, he is fighting his own side of politics.
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SW-User
@Stereoguy The man is evil, evil must never be bowed down to.

 
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