Only logged in members can reply and interact with the post.
Join SimilarWorlds for FREE »

Is it truly possible to have a non-biased media?

My own view is that it isn't possible to be unbiased but some sources have higher journalistic standards and integrity. All media and all language carries values and assumptions within it, often unacknowledged and sometimes at a subconscious level. However, not all media is the same. Some tell outright lies and some insinuate things which the readership are intended to take as fact. If I don't trust a source then I read through to find the quotes and the verified details.

I have confirmation bias too and everyone does, though I think it is a healthy thing if you can be critical of friends and allies from time to time.
Ynotisay · M
My mantra is "Consider the Source." Every time. Not only the outlet but the byline.

My issue is what is now considered "the media" as well as the inability many have to recognize the difference between hard news and opinion.

Big outlets, (AP, Reuters, NY Times, etc) go through a seriously in-depth vetting process. If they get it wrong they'll retract or cop to it. And in the case of wire services at least, there's a typical format they follow. I trust that reporting.

I know a bit about this world given my work and it disgusts me that so many have bought in to the "lame stream/ Lib media" nonsense. "Fake News" goes without saying.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Ynotisay Yes I agree. I also notice who the 'Fake News' thing was originally aimed at the conspiracy theory right but Trump has co-opted the language for his own purpose.

Fake News means (or meant) deliberately made up stories which attempted no basis in fact. I am thinking of Pizzagate here. Trump has turned this into a playground insult contest where fake news is just something which you disagree with. There isn't symmetry between the NYT and Alex Jones though. Ask you say, the big titles go through heavy vetting processes and have standards.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
I don’t think it is.

In the States, we used to have the Fairness Doctrine - which meant that equal time was supposed to be given to different viewpoints. When Reagan stole that, news outlets turned into nothing but marketing machines. When the only thing that matters is ratings and money, quality goes down the tubes.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@room101

Wrong. I correctly pointed out the left leaning media bias dating back to at least Dan Rather. The only pretense is that you wish to discuss anything and only seek to ram your agenda down the throats of all. You have no clue who I’ve ever voted for and typical of your ilk make assumptions and then begin with the name calling and insults. When called on it you get angry and crank up the name calling and mean spirited behavior. You’re deliberately blind and deaf to anything other than your ill conceived agenda.
room101 · 51-55, M
@jackjjackson I've been seeing you pop up for ten months. Always with the same nonsense. Tells me all that I need to know.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@room101

Ditto regarding your nonsense however I have no clue how long you’ve been around and don’t care.
I think you're right, and I'm a big fan of freedom of the press conference and don't think the govt should be able to yank the licenses of stations that portray it unfavorably.

However, I'd support some sort of industry based system for discriminating between those that actually try and report accurately and those who publish political propaganda and call it news.

I'm glad you have time to check every article for sources, but most people don't, including myself.

Instead, I'm falling prey to the trap of seeing if a story gets repeated by what I consider to be a reputable news outlet and assuming if it isn't, it's Fake News.

Sadly, I realize that a large portion of the population now does the same thing, just with different ideas of what is reputable.

We need standards, I think, or were forever going to be stuck with the idea that Alternate facts aren't falsehoods.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@MistyCee

John Oliver on HBO is funny as hell in matter what ones politics if one is intellectually honest. Oliver is a cleverly contrived exaggeration of opinion “news” ( not really news only opinion but THEY try to foist it off as news ).

Oliver follows in the footsteps of Bill Mahar who is also funny as hell.

Opinion is more than OK whether one agrees with the opinion expressed of not. That’s why there is protected free speech. We can’t depend on Big Brother to tell us what is opinion. It’s our responsibility.

In today’s climate the sensible approach is to assume the EVERYTHING is opinion until proved otherwise to your satisfaction. If one doesn’t or can’t or won’t do that then shame in them. That type isn’t likely to make the effort to register much less vote anyways.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MistyCee I don't have time to check articles for sources LOL. During the Labour leadership contests here, I did that because I had good reasons not to trust what I was reading. Normally no.

What I mean is [i]you should check how you read a news source[/i]. Are there quotes? Is there evidence? Are certain things being insinuated beyond the facts?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Burnley123

Excellent point. Innuendo is a deadlier tool that fact often times.
I would agree that there are huge differences regarding media's intellectual rigor and veracity of truth claims.

I would also agree that all media has ideological biases and that not all are the same as some are intentionally deceptive and manipulative.

I would also agree that all media would have confirmation and story bias.

And I would also agree that forraging across media food groups is a good way around that.

That said...

I think modern media, in particular TV, radio, and internet media are inherently toxic.

These short format forms of media require click-bait to get people to interact with content to generate revenue. So we are constantly triggered, primarily by anger, fear, and outrage, and remain in a state of emotional excitation.

This also uncalibrates our sense of risk and priorty. Media click-bait is unlikely to be something relevant in terms of real daily risks. Also low in terms of actual priority in our lives.

And the requirement to generate click-bait for revenue generation demands very hard forms of confirmation bias. Not only are alterative views not possible, but presentation, formatting, tone must be uniform. And the short format makes any real discussion of issues impossible. So we are subject to extreme story bias. Things need to have a ribbon around them.

When I unplug from short format click-bait and jump back in it's really jarring and clear how it scrambles my brains.
There used to be more integrity in journalism, some media is far to profit driven these days.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Pitchblue I think that is an important point. Its always been profit driven but shrinking margins and a partisan audience compromise integrity sometimes.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Pitchblue

So we are told but was there?

Let’s start with Dan Rather .......
Ynotisay · M
@Pitchblue I disagree when it comes to real journalism. In the "good 'ol days" when there were few outlets, the government and businesses had much more pull in regards to stories. The public was less informed because journalists didn't report on certain things. FDR's polio and JFK's affairs come to mind. We're in a golden age of REAL journalism right now. Unfortunately, it's being drowned out by online 'noise.'
room101 · 51-55, M
I don't think that any individual or organisation can be unbiased. In fact, I believe that any attempt to be completely unbiased is unhealthy. But, as firefall points out below, bias is very different to prejudice.

In recent years, we have seen a number of things which have compromised the credibility of the media industry. Some of which have been self-inflicted. Primary of these self-inflicted wounds is the consolidation of media companies into global conglomerates which have destroyed any competition in the industry. In America, for example, six corporations control 90% of the media.

Then there is the advent of the internet and, in particular, social media. Now, everybody can be a journalist. And the more unscrupulous exploiters of this phenomenon can foist their views on an unsuspecting public.

You're right in that not all media is the same. Long may that diversity continue because, if we continue down this path of monopolisation, we will end up with little more than propaganda.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
I suppose the only way to guarantee impartiality is to have it written into the charter under which it operates. That is , to my knowledge, only the case for public service broadcasters who depend for their funding on taxpayers money. (Something the US sadly lacks.)
All other outlets operate under an editorial policy which obviously reflects the ownership so no matter their claims to impartiality they will always exercise a certain bias.
room101 · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 I've tried looking up what regulatory bodies there are in America. Other than basic censorship laws, I've found next to nothing.

And therein "lies" the problem.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson American TV media isn't regulated and has clear partisan bias.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 @room101

Must have been a search made of Swiss chess. How about the FCC for starters.

What might that bias be Burnsie in your,opinion?
No, there will always be a point of view on the news reported, but some publications actually don’t post the facts of certain events. I know firsthand that Breitbart isn’t above [b]lying[/b] (legacy of Andrew) because it reported a rally in which I actually participated last November, as a “riot”. Nobody rioted or was in the least disruptive. And if I hadn’t been there, I might’ve believed what they wrote. Enough people did.
sunrisehawk · 61-69, M
There has never been, nor never will be a non-biased media. However, it used to be that mainstream media made the attempt to be unbiased. Also, there were competitors that encouraged the media to report the news and leave interpreting to the audience.

Today, it seems more try to put a spin on the news rather than just report it. After decades of contraction in the media, today new forms of media are creating unrest within it as they compete for the audience.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@sunrisehawk

When were these “good old days”? If they existed at all they ended prior to to beginning of the career of Dan Rather for example .....
sunrisehawk · 61-69, M
@jackjjackson That is the generation of news people who started the slide that led to a deficit of integrity.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Burnley123

When it comes to lack of integrity, the ownership of the specific media company is directly responsible. Sometimes the ownership takes the employee to task e.g. that knucklehead Bill O’Reilly and sometimes ownership is the miscreant.
firefall · 61-69, M
I dont think you can avoid bias, everyone writes from their own presumptions. But bias isnt the same as prejudice (i.e. pre-judging something), and that can & should be avoided.
SW-User
Of course not. Media thrives off ratings. Ratings are gained by having viewers. Viewers carry bias. If the viewer doesn't like the slant of the outlet they are watching, they will find one that better justifies their opinion. Partisanship is just as prevalent in the media as it is in government.
Ynotisay · M
@SW-User Thanks for the clarification and I get what you're saying. You're right. But I don't think holding the "media" responsible for public ignorance is the best call. Bias exists everywhere other than science. The decision of an editor or producer to run a piece or not could be considered bias as the decision is often influenced by the audience. But there are plenty of outlets that just report the facts and go to great lengths to be accurate. Unfortunately, today it seems that for some anything that isn't in line with their personal belief is considered bias or "fake news." That's entirely inaccurate.
SW-User
@Ynotisay I agree with you. Personal bias gets attributed as media bias all the time. Shifting of labels makes the issue of bias as a whole very cloudy.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@SW-User

It’s extremely rare that the media disseminates anything not filtered with bias.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I agree. Virtually everything and everyone has bias and filters with perhaps the exception of live streaming C-Span and who watches they or would want to.

It’s all in how you listener / reader interprets that bias and uses it for his or her own benefit if smart taking into account his or her own biases and filters.

Overall ny a well done process on SW 😜
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Burnley123

I’d put it another way. EVERYONE has bias and it’s their right at lwhere you and I reside. It’s fine and often appropriate to civility disagree with a bias if it conflicts with ones own. However these days it’s a recipe for frustration to expect to have the ability to reverse another’s bias.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson I don't think you should expect that. I think you should ask people to [i]consider [/i]ideas from another place though.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Burnley123

Absolutely. Planting the seeds of another point of view is always a good thing. Often that is how progress occurs.
Fangirlsarah1996 · 26-30, F
Well the "greater media" will usually back the government because of money and such.

Smaller companies "seem" to be more willing to speak their mind as they have "nothing to lose"

These observations are very generalised however.
Ynotisay · M
@Fangirlsarah1996 I disagree. The 'greater media" stands to lose so much more if their reporting comes under question. They work very, very hard to get it right.
Fangirlsarah1996 · 26-30, F
@Ynotisay I didn't say they'd lie.

I said they'd back the government.
Ynotisay · M
@Fangirlsarah1996 OK. But as I've worked in and around the media world for a long time I can say the only time they'd "back" the government is if reporting would specifically jeopardize lives...say a military mission.
I guess said in another way, I'm good with ideological biases. I can read my way through those. I am not good with cognitive biases innate in media forms. I reject consuming that media.
SW-User
Agreed. It can never be non biased.

 
Post Comment