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Is democracy incrementally dying ?

This is question about worldwide politics. By democracy, I don't just mean voting; I mean independence of media, judiciary and the right to dissent etc. The most extreme examples of this happening are in Poland, Hungary, Turkey and Venezuela. Even in the West we have the NSA and GCHQ overriding privacy rights (with dangerous potential) in the name of security. The Euro-zone imposes economic policy on Greece by specifically saying that money and supranational agreements by previous governments count more than democratic autonomy.

This Paul Mason article is interesting:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/democracy-dying-people-worried-putin-erdogan-trump-world
windinhishair · 61-69, M Best Comment
We appear to be going through a global period similar to the 1930s, when autocrats like Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin were assuming power. The 1930s were marked by global depression, and the past ten years have been characterized by poor economic conditions for average citizens. The 1930s ended in world war. We shall see how far it goes this time.

Northwest · M
[quote]independence of media, judiciary and the right to dissent etc[/quote]

I'm a history buff, and when I apply the context of time period/circumstances, I find that not much has changed when it comes to strategy, on these issues, since the birth of "democracy". Tactics may change, but that's a function of the time period/available technology.

Another thing to note, is that the "first world" may be experiencing a information overdose induced democracy hangover, but let's not forget that the majority of the world's population has not even been allowed to get to that level of cynicism.

Eventually, those who oppose globalism, but want pure democracy (not a representative democracy), will find that the only way to achieve the latter, is to accept and participate in the former.
Cierzo · M
Only direct democracy is true democracy. Parliamentary democracy the way we understand it now is a daughter of capitalism, based on trade, demand and supply. I give you my vote, you give me a certain way to organise society.

As a daughter of capitalism, democracy shows the main flaw of it, tendency to concentration to power. Oligopolies. With the turning of the decades, chances to the consumers/votes have been reduced to a conservatism and socialdemocracy. And, as it usually happens in oligopolies, the main difference between brands is not in the quality of the product but in packaging, and the way it is sold to the public


This process sped up since the fall of communism, and now it is especially blatant,more people are seeing it and realising that democracy is a lie. Now and then a certain product may fool people for a while (Trump), but that's all
SW-User
Hungary is a wrong example. Unfortunately our government, and our governing party called fidesz (they call themselves young democrats, but they are old communists) captured our state. They stole everything. It's not about democracy, they have no principles, their every political movement is about filling their own pockets. (Just imagine, that our prime minister built a stadium next to his own house in his village from PUBLIC FUNDS.) They lie and stole, and this is because they have only one future: they have to keep the their position, because if they lose on the next election the public anger would kill them. What happened in this country in the last 7 years since they have the power, is disappointing. 500 thousand of Hungarians went abroad to work and live, because of the local conditions.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User Thank you for sharing. I agree with you and extend my sympathy.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@GypsyKing And in a dictatorship?

Governments without ections are also the ones which want censorship.
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Democracy is a beautiful beautiful misused ideology...
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Soossie I think it is a vital thing but people (in my country at least) take it for granted. Its fragile and there are also degrees of democracy.
I agree... still, I believe, nothing in the history of politics have been taken for granted and misused as democracy has been.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Sorry @Soossie , I am not sure what you are saying.
firefall · 61-69, M
I think Mason is pushing that way too far, in suggesting that it's a [i]concerted [/i]effort. There's no conspiracy here, it's just railroading time & the atmosphere is right.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@firefall Mason is often good but he makes a lot of big points in his writing, some of which are dubious. I am not sure he believes there is a conspiracy though. He would see it as neo-liberalism's adaptation to the nationalist right.
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
Actually democracy is just that, just voting. And that is what is both right and wrong with it.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Subsumedpat Who is allowed to vote, what information they have access to and what power that vote has are variable.

Even things you or I would recognise as dictatorships have 'elections'. Russia s technically a democracy. Its a spectrum and there are many factors.

 
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