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Here's an interesting fact about American losses in WW2

The death toll for the 8th air force was greater than the combined total for marines in both theaters. Over 26,000 died taking on the Luftwaffe.

The key to their eventual victory was the introduction of long range P-51 mustangs and a change of strategy involving no longer flying escort for the bombers but using them as bait.
drymer · 56-60, M
Yep, they just sent the bombers in daylight raids, and at first the existing fighter escorts had not enough range to fly with the bombers and protect them all the way to Germany... (the bombers well "well armed" and supposedly able to "defend themselves", but that wasn't the case) So the escorting Allied fighter's would have to come back half way (no in-flight refueling those days) and the bombers would be at the mercy of the German fighters... Losses were brutal... By 1943, if I'm not mistaken, long-range P-51 Mustang started escorting bombers all the way to Germany, and things improved a bit... (I'm writing this from memory, apologies if I got some facts wrong...)
21stCenturyFox · 26-30, F
@drymer You got it right. Then the order came to leave the B-17s undefended and instead destroy German fighters in dogfights. This tripled the kill ratio.
drymer · 56-60, M
We often forget that in wars there's often a lot of "trial and error". The brilliant decisions that led to victory are often well publicized, but there were also many miscalculations, errors and wrong assumptions... With hindsight, it's easy to point fingers and to clearly see how "stupid" some decisions were, but with all the new technology everyone was just trying to figure out what worked and what didn't work... I love the story about Eisenhower on D-Day, when he reportedly had written two different speeches in his pocket: one in case the operation succeeded, the other in case it went terribly wrong... We now know it succeeded after painstaking preparation, but even so, at the time it was far from certain that it would turn out well in the end...
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Thanks for sharing this.

The sacrifices and losses were staggering in all theaters, all branches. All sides of the war.

In one of my previous lives I had the fortune of flying with many of the then old timers who had been pilots and crew members during the war. Many who had served during the war and survived, and returned to civilian lives, had their lives again disrupted when they were called back into military service for Korea and/or the cold war. With the wars and the add-on service, some were half-way to retirement and chose to hang on until retirement.

They were a part of the greatest generation ever. To listen to their experiences as they pointed out where they almost died, or saw their friends die, or where they had to bail out was a peek into the heart and soul of bigger than life heroes. One still carried a picture of himself standing on a ladder, and through a 4 foot round hole in his wing. As impressive were the stories of the gut wrenching fear of another mission, and another, and another as the odds of survival shrank. A few had bailed and became POWs. One was 85 pounds when he was released, and recounted the experience of watching fellow POWs willing to kill one another over a slice of bread.

God bless them.
tallpowerhouseblonde · 31-35, F
The P51 had a revolutionary wing design which reduced fuel cosumption by almost half.It's why the Mustang had such a long range.Also the Mustang had the British Rolls Royce Merlin engine.
braveheart21 · 61-69, M
And no armour plate for the pilot...as i said all very good aircraft but all with small flaws that took the edge off them @tallpowerhouseblonde
21stCenturyFox · 26-30, F
@braveheart21 The same can be said of mustang missions in Europe.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@braveheart21 All aircraft have their advantages and disadvantages. The most serious contribution of the P51 was its range and thus its role in protecting daytime bombers on long flights.

Daytime bombing was more accurate than nighttime bombing, but the losses were staggering.

Both sides progressively ramped up their tactics and weaponry as the war progressed. The Luftwaffe learned how to more effectively attack B-17 and they upgraded their firepower. The P-51 with the upgraded engines made a critical contribution in that part of the war.

The Spitfire was supposedly more agile and a better interceptor, but lacked the range. The Corsair was designed for carrier operation. While comparable in performance to the P-51, my guess is that the Corsair had better low altitude performance and the P-51 had better high altitude performance. There are other considerations for why one and not the other, such as production schedule, and maintainability.
SW-User
Well, Luttwaffe during that period was not an ordinary air force. So nothing surprising in that deal toll.
Very interesting post. My dad was a WW2 Vet, served in France but always spoke highly of the USAAF 8th AF and The RAF. And I believe many of the Bombing runs over Germany and Enemy territory by B-17 crews and others were protected by the "Red Tails", aka "Tuskegee Airmen." Great aviators...all of them!
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@soar2newhighs Do you know what unit(s) our dad served in?

There are quite a few Facebook and other Internet groups for the various military bases as well as the military units. Also active groups that focus on the particular aircraft and missions.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Another interesting fact. Over 2/3’s of all deaths in WWII were civilians.
SW-User
I love the collaboration on this post.
21stCenturyFox · 26-30, F
@SW-User Yes. I deleted one crackpot response implying that I shouldn't mention any death count as measly as 26,000- and swearing all the while. The rest of the responses seem quite well informed.
SW-User
well that sucks.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Understandable
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
@ItsGonnaBeOk

China's casualties in WW2 exceeded 14 million.
Soviet Union casualties exceeded 25 million
...
Estimate of total casualties exceeded 80 million

 
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