I'm all for transgender rights.

@LilTiffy4ever the muscle composition is what gives male advantage over female?

@JaggedLittlePill From what I have read about this subject a couple years ago and from talking to a transgender coworker who also is athletic, yes, to my knowledge it is not just how big the muscles are, but the composition of the muscle material. I think that it takes aprox 2-3 years of female hormones to change the muscle composition though, so depending on how long the athlete has been transitioned, that can make a significant difference in athletic performance.

@SW-User


seems reasonable

@ghoulie723

[quote]I feel like it should be a separate category cuz[/quote]

I kinda lean that way as well.

@dondon

[quote]There is an incredible amount of harm [/quote]

So that's your assertion, can you be more specific?
Another guy walks into the bathroom and goes into the stall. Do you need to know what his genitals look like? Is it important that you know if he was born a woman?

Don't just tell me that there is harm. Tell me what the harm is.

[quote]doesn't give you any right to force people[/quote]

I would say that you shouldn't be forced. But if you refuse to call a transgender woman "her" then socially you'll be viewed as an asshole in the same way that as anyone disrespecting another person

@Pikachu You are taking my words out of context, so we are done.
The correct quote was here: [quote]There is an incredible amount of harm in, shifting from reality to fantasy. [/quote]

And I'm not the asshole for deceiving people, people need to hear the truth even if it's inconvenient for them.

@dondon

[quote]There is an incredible amount of harm in, shifting from reality to fantasy.[/quote]

I hope you won't use this as an excuse to abandon the discussion.
I'm sorry if you felt i was trying to quote mine you. I just didn't feel that, that vague warning carried much meaning.
We are after all discussing something specific so i see no need to be vague about it.
So please, go ahead. I'm listening.

[quote]people need to hear the truth even if it's inconvenient for them.[/quote]

Why? Why does a transgender woman need you to call her a man?
If a burly looking person wants you to call them jennifer instead of jeremy, why do you feel the need to refuse?

@JaggedLittlePill you dont believe an ass kicking when you see it? lol

@JaggedLittlePill yes they do, i have taken them

testosterone injections into my ass checks

@JaggedLittlePill do you see?.. DO YOU SEEE? you stated something you knew to be false that is strange lol

@SW-User

Well it's has a lot to do with sport. It's why college football teams don't play teams in the NFL. It's why adults don't play children. It's why men and women's sports are separated.

@Tubbs

Not in detail. But should we assume that the only transgenders we're talking about are those who have completed hormone therapy?

@JaggedLittlePill Interesting. Here is my rebuttal:

I don't doubt that women will start to "catch up" to men in terms of sports more and more as the article states, we have seen that happen in the last few decades. As stated by the article, this is mostly due to women being more accepted in sports and having access to the same resources as men do to perform their best.

Unfortunately there is a biological component that will never be reached by women. It's just the way it is. I spent 20 minutes looking for an article on this but of course I can't find it. Essentially, the take away was this:

In a general sense, women and men overlap in physical capability. However, men are more disparate, meaning there are more men at the ends of the "bell curve". This means that more men in general will be at the upper end of the bell curve in physical ability(as well as the bottom end) and since sports is a meritocracy, men with greater physical ability will dominate sports. (If I can find the link I will post it here. My apologies, I would understand if you are dubious. But after spending 20 minutes on this, I didn't just not want to reply....)

This doesn't mean that some sports can't be integrated or that women in a general sense, can't compete with men, but ultimately if we were to make these sports a pure meritocracy, men would be the top performers.

@JaggedLittlePill let me just say, if we put Deontay Wilder and Alexandra Jimenez in the ring together, there would be a little bit more than a slight advantage >_>

Both are heavyweight boxer champions of different genders, but just take moment to imagine why we don't want this to happen

@SW-User yea. Sorry, I don't buy that bull shitake. But thanks, and have a fabulous day.