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Negationism? I don't care

Media are now calling those who protest against lockdowns 'negationists', the same way they have been for years calling 'racists' or 'fascists' those who oppose multiculturalism.

However, abusing cliche words is not going to work when business close by thousands and people run out of money. The fight against lockdowns is no longer a fight for freedom. It is a fight for bread too.
Elessar · 26-30, M
People are dying of viraemia, specifically covid-19 induced complications, not hunger anywhere in the first world. If the numbers go up enough to require a lockdown there are no alternative solutions - the solution was to follow three simple rules (masks, handwashing and distance), but for some people that was too much, unfortunately.

The U.S. is the perfect example of why the "let's keep everything open" or "let's reopen earlier than we should" strategy doesn't really work, economically speaking, comparing the GDPs with countries like mine that fully locked down for 2/3 months in the same trimester.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Nevaeh0081 I'm aware, we had one for long here as well.

@Cierzo Yeah, I mostly agree with your points.

- On the schools point I wholeheartedly agree, the most urgent problem is lowering the curve now, children skipping some months of school won't generate a mass of ignorant people (more ignorant than the masses already are, above all) as some might seem to suggest. The real point IMO, that they don't emphasize much, is that schools are essentially parking lots for children, and if children (above all <14) will be left at home, the govts will have to guarantee funds or paid leaves for parents...
- Agreed, like it was in March.
- With the exceptions that businesses which declared ridiculous revenues to the tax office should get compensated on the base of what they paid in taxes so far, not arbitrary amounts. Because at least here they're major whiners, but when it comes to paying taxes, they always find a workaround (not all of them, of course).
- Yeah, and I'd say trans-border workers, because at least for us (but I suppose for Spain is the same) there are companies and especially industries that would shut down permanently if they couldn't import/export goods.
- They've attempted to "close harbors" here, which eventually only resulted in more clandestine arrivals and no control at all on those who crossed the border, while at least now they get isolated; it's a complex problem that would require a joint European response, and not one limited to the current pandemic situation. Especially considering that Erdogan is now training the Libyan coastguard, guess why...
Johnblackthorn · 56-60, M
@Cierzo I didn't agree with your opening statement, but I do agree with this one.
Either lock down or don't there's no point in some people staying at home and only going out for essentials if their kids are going to school.
Why are pubs open, the reason for drink driving laws are because drunk people make terrible decisions, but it's apparently ok to get drunk in a pandemic.
I'm in the UK we, like everyone else had safe travel corridors so that we could go on holiday, why? At best this would slowly spread the virus if we flew on our own, unfortunately it is deemed appropriate to put a few hundred people in a tube while recirculating the air for a few hours and pretend there's no risk!
Our lock downs are an ineffective inconvenience and nothing more.
Cierzo · M
@JohnblackthornThe lockdowns we have had and are having now in Europe are just destroying economy and curbing people's freedoms without giving any positive results, because there are too many holes in them.
So it is either FULL lockdown, or no lockdown. What we are going through just has the drawbacks of both, but no advantages.
Mugin16 · 46-50, M
Lockdowns destroy the economey, that is undisputed. And exactly for that reason, my country's government has refused to decree a second lockdown.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Mugin16 [quote]manage the pandemic in a way to have enough capacity in hospitals to take care of the very small number of infected people who are severe cases.[/quote]
But in fact that's why they're likely to enact a new (softer?) lockdown, at least here in Italy. Healthcares are going towards saturations, in some regions the situation is already near-critical.
Mugin16 · 46-50, M
@Elessar Yes, but do we really need a lockdown for that? Wouldn't it be better that old people and people with existing health problems get locked down while everybody else can still go to work, eat out, go to bars and pubs and concerts and football matches and allow cultural and sport activities?
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Mugin16 No, it wouldn't work. Old people have to eat too, and to do so they'll have to interact with younger ones no matter what. Society can't be compartmentalized easily, in practice. Also, the fact it attacks predominantly older folks doesn't mean younger/healthy ones are safe either; 27% of the hospitalized people here are <50 and perfectly healthy before catching covid-19 and now being either with a CPAP or worse, intubated. This with a semi-lockdown, you can imagine the numbers will increase if we pretend everything's over when it actually isn't.

The fact is, in Japan (which is quite densely populated), they averted a lockdown simply by observing three basic rules (masking, distancing, handwashing). Here, instead, we're all paying the cost for [i]freedumbs[/i].
novembermoon · 51-55
I really wonder why virus numbers don’t seem to be coming down in Europe. I hear it on the news every day now. I hope things get better soon.
SW-User
No one’s starving and America isn’t collapsing economically from lockdowns. America is just full of self-centered tards that can’t follow simple guidelines that help prevent the spread of an illness, thus exasperating the situation to a ridiculous level.
SW-User
i like the label [b]nihilist[/b] better.

 
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